Can we shift culture fast enough to survive the future we’re building?

From the mountain to the marketplace, Hap Klopp made The North Face a symbol of environmental consciousness and adventure culture. David Tice, meanwhile, is on a mission to jolt America awake to its greatest invisible risk—our fragile power grid—through film and finance. In this rare and riveting conversation, two bold thinkers unpack what it takes to change hearts, minds, and systems in an era where resilience is the new sustainability. Expect a wide-ranging discussion on rethinking preparedness, challenging complacency, and shaping a culture that values durability, adaptability, and long-term thinking.